Historical Yeshua vs ‘historical Jesus’, Torah, Yeshua not divine

Nov 18 2011

Hello!

My name is Anders and I found your blog today.
You rely on an Hellenist Jew and a Hellenist-redacted book “NT”, in order to determine what the historical Rabbi called Y’hoshua taught. First century Ribi Y’hoshuas teachings were heavily redacted and have been restored using a scientific method – to remove all anti-Torah redactions – and are found on www.netzarim.co.il
His name was changed to ‘Jesus’ and teacings redacted into the “gospels”.

The historical Y’hoshua was a man, not divine. If you care for him, then don’t apply teachings to him that he didn’t teach. That really grieves the Creator.

Follow the teachings of Y’hoshua leads you into non-selective Torah-observance, which is immensely meaningful!!

All the best,
Anders Branderud

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Torah vs NT; Christian erronous theology, errors in the ‘gospels’

Nov 18 2011

Here follows my comment about the NT, which is discussed above:

I recommend you all to not put your trust in the document ‘NT’, which according to even Christian scholars was heavily changed by the Catholic church [and many parts in it contradicted the Torah ['books of Moses'] and the teachings of Ribi Y’hoshua also when it was written].

Quoting from Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible,

“It is equally true that many of them do have theological significance and were introduced into the text intentionally… Many thousands of the variants which are found in the MSS of the NT were put there deliberately. They are not merely the result of error or careless handling of the text. Many were created for theological or dogmatic reasons—even though they may not affect the substance of Christian dogma. [Thanks for reminding us that Christians made Christian redactions compatible with Christian dogma; ybd]). It is because the books of the NT are religious books, sacred books, canonical books, that they were changed to conform to what the copyist believed to be the true reading. His interest was not in the ‘original reading’ but in the ‘true reading’”

[Read more documentation (including quote from these Scholars): www.netzarim.co.il ; Glossaries ; NT]

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Yeshua, physical return?, spiritual return?, Catholic church corruped Yeshuas words

Nov 18 2011

Hello to you all,
Learning from the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew (which Christians call ”OT”), the Jewish Messiah would be a human and a spiritual son of Eloim, not divine/’Son of God’. All humans observing Torah die and are now in the Realm of the Heavens and they don’t return to earth. The Catholic Church had the power to redact whatever they wanted to redact into the NT and so they did [Documentation: www.netzarim.co.il ; Glossaries; NT ]. Y’hoshua won’t return physically; but his teachings were restored the last decades (see the above Netzarim-link) filtering out all redactions from ‘gospel of Matthew’ that the Catholic church had put in it, restoring the name of the Torah-observant man ,teacher and Rabbi called Y’hoshua.
Nothing what I have written here adds to or removes from the mitzvot of Torah, which according to Deuteronomy 13:1-6 in Hebrew is the important test of what anyone says.

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Hebrew rabbi Yeshua not the same as greek Hellenist Roman pagan idol Jesus

Nov 17 2011

Hello! My name is Anders and I found your blog today.

Sure, there are two completely different opposites. Good that you recognize that.
However, I see from your other posts, that you still rely on an Hellenist Jew and a Hellenist-redacted book “NT”, in order to determine what the historical Rabbi called Y’hoshua taught. First century Ribi Y’hoshuas teachings were heavily redacted and have been restored using a scientific method – to remove all anti-Torah redactions – and are found on www.netzarim.co.il

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Torah vs “Whole testament”-theology/Hebrew roots/NT

Nov 17 2011

Obey the “NT”? Only if it doesn’t contradict Torah [books of Moses]. Otherwise it is an account of a false propet according to Deuteronomy 13:1-6.

This is what the Jewish Messiah must have taught about ‘salvation’ – if he was a legitimate prophet according to Deuteronomy 13:1-6 in Hebrew: He was called Y’hoshua and Christians later changed his name to “Jesus” and changed his teachings [See documentation at www.netzarim.co.il ].

As stipulated in Deuteronomy. 6:4-9,11:13-21 one is required to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “with all one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Hebrew Bible, Ezekiel chapter 18 et.al, the Creator confer His atonement in His loving kindness to those and only those turning away from their Torah [Books of Moses]-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively observance of the commandments in the books of Moses. Everyone has transgressed the commandments in the books of Moses and it is possible to obtain forgiveness from the Creator in His loving kindness when living in the above way. The Creator has promised this in His Bible – which is in Hebrew – and He doesn’t lie.

Thus, the way of ‘salvation’ in NT, referred to in the NT, contradicts the books of Moses and what the Jewish first century Messiah called Y’hoshua taught. I am a former Christian and understand that after having studied Torah in Hebrew according to etymology. The Creator wants to forgive, but ONLY as long as we do our best to keep His Will.

So, NT shouldn’t be followed. The Whole Testament is the Original Testament – the Hebrew Bible [which Christians mistakenly call "OT"].

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According to Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible and Torah – Christians/catholics changed Yeshuas teachings

Nov 17 2011

Hello!

I would like to comment about the “NT”.

The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible based on research by Christian scholars:

“It is equally true that many of them do have theological significance and were introduced into the text intentionally… Many thousands of the variants which are found in the MSS of the NT were put there deliberately. They are not merely the result of error or careless handling of the text. Many were created for theological or dogmatic reasons—even though they may not affect the substance of Christian dogma.[Thanks for reminding us that Christians made Christian redactions compatible with Christian dogma; ybd]). It is because the books of the NT are religious books, sacred books, canonical books, that they were changed to conform to what the copyist believed to be the true reading. His interest was not in the ‘original reading’ but in the ‘true reading’” (Quote : www.netzarim.co.il )

Also, the Jewish Messiah would never have taught teachings contradicting the Torah [books of Moses]. According to the Hebrew Bible, the role of Jewish Messiah is to inspire non-Jews and Jews to keep Torah. The “gospels” are full of teachings contradicting Torah, e.g. about ‘salvation’. They are full of teachings that the historical Y’hoshua – being a Jew in good standing in the Pharisaic community and being the Jewish Messiah [proofs on the above Netzarim-website] could never have taught. Documentation: http://www.jewishsalvation.com/judaism-beliefs/deuteronomy-64-9-deuteronomy-1113-21-jewish-messiah-salvation-torah/

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Isaiah 6:1-13, Isaiah 9:5-6, Messianic prophecies, king Hizkiah

Oct 26 2011

Yәshayahu ha-Nâ•vi 6:1-13; 9:5-6 (6:1—7:6; 9:5-6). WhileYәsha•yâhu 9:5-6 has Messianic implications, for its immediate historic context read Yәsha•yâhu 7:10-17. This pâ•râsh•âh, which I taught to Yaeil‘s Orthodox elementary school class last year, beginsוישמע יתרו (wa-yishәma Yitro; and Yitro hearkened).

In his analysis of Yәsha•yâhu 9:5-6, R. Singer includes (Outreach Judaism) a discussion on the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Although the Nәtzâr•im don’t subscribe to the doctrine of the Trinity, Ta•na”kh doesn’t fully support R. Singer’s position either and the Nәtzâr•im arguments against the Trinity concept are logical, cogent and far more compelling.

Only R. Singer tries to render Yәsha•yâhu 9:5-6, inconsistently, in mixed tenses: [a child] “has been born” in the past tense with the rest of the verse in the present (authority is; name iscalled), as if it could only happen at the time Yәsha•yâhu was writing.

The Koren Ta•na”kh renders consistently in the present: “a child is born.” JPS renders the entire pâ•suq consistently in the past perfect (child has been born, authority has settled; has been named). The Sages, including Tal•mud, have consistently recognized from Biblical times up until at least the Middle Ages that the Hebrew (and the Koren Ta•na”kh and JPS version) ofYәsha•yâhu 9:5-6, in addition to its primary context in 7:10-17 (especially 7:13-14), is filled with secondary Messianic implications.

The child of Yәsha•yâhu‘s time didn’t fulfill the next pâ•suq(9:6), and the Mâ•shiakhtherefore, has to be the intended fulfillment of 9:5-6 as well as 7:13-14: “To increase the Ministry, and never-ending peace, upon the Seat of Dâ•wid, and over his Realm, to prepare it, and to support in mi•shәpât and in tzәdâq•âh, from now and until forever; Zeal, of י--ה of armies, shall do this.”

The comma after “Zeal” is indicated by the תביר (tәvir; disj. cantillation symbol) under the א in קנאת (kinat; zeal of ‘). This lends the noun “Zeal” the connotation of Mâ•shiakh (who is י--ה‘s Zeal, just as he is elsewhere described as י--ה‘s Plant, Branch,Neitzër, etc.).

Counter-missionaries often argue that they reject RibiYәho•shua on the grounds that he didn’t establish this everlasting peace on earth. This argument is a two-edged sword, cutting in both directions: neither did the child that R. Singer claims has fulfilled the pâ•suq!

Quote and continued reading on: www.netzarim.co.il

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Isaiah 59:20, kavod, Yeshayahu, Israel, Mishlei Shlomoh 3:35, Messiah, Proverbs 146:3

Oct 26 2011

While י--ה doesn’t give His כבוד to anyone different,Yәsha•yâhu makes it clear concerning the גואל (go•eil; redeemer; i.e., the Mâ•shiakh) of Tziy•on (59.20), if not all of Israel, that (60.1) the “כבוד י--ה shall shine upon you,” and (60.2) “upon you shall י--ה shine and His כבוד shall be seen upon you.”Yәsha•yâhu makes it clear (43.7) that all of Yi•sәr•â•eil כל הנקרא בשמי (kol ha-niqra bi-shәmi; everyone who is called by My Name) “I have created for My כבוד.”

Shәlomoh makes it clear that י--ה does share His כבוד with the wise (Mi•shәl•ei Shәlom•oh 3.35): “כבוד is what the wise shall inherit.” Within this framework we can understandYәsha•yâhu‘s description of the Plant (a synonym of Neitzër[sprout, shoot]), i.e., the Mâ•shiakh), in 4.2: “In that day shall theצמח (Tzëmakh; plant) of י--ה become [lit. be for] a desired-thing and כבוד.”

With respect to Yәsha•yâhu 8.23—9.3 see NHM 4:13-16 w/4.15.1. For Yәsha•yâhu 11.1I see NHM 2:23 w/notes. ForYәsha•yâhu 7.14 (1-7 & 10-16) and Mi•shәl•ei Shәlom•oh 30.18-20 see NHM 1.20-23 w/notes.

One pâ•suq that R. Singer and I will agree on completely isTәhil•im 146:3!

Quote and learn more here: www.netzarim.co.il

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Ovadia the prophet 1:21, Hosha 13:4, saviour,Torah

Oct 26 2011

Yet, our conclusions must also be in harmony with other passages of Ta•na”kh, such as Ovadyah ha-Nâ•vi 1.21: “Andמושעים (moshiyim; saviors—plural) shall ascend Har Tziy•on to render mi•shәpât over the Mount of Ei•sau, and the Kingdom/Realm shall be י--ה‘s.”

There can be no savior different from the savior defined byTor•âh and י--ה, and since there are more than one savior, we can be certain that י--ה designates saviors among Israel.

The only understanding of Ho•sheia 13.4 that is in harmony with Ovadyah 1.21 is also the most accurate literal meaning: “no savior without Me.”

Quote and learn more at www.netzarim.co.il

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Trinity, Yeshayahu 45:21-22, Isaiah 45:21-22, Rabbi Tovia Singer

Oct 26 2011

With this knowledge of Hebrew in hand, R. Singer has missed the clincher! When he quotes Y’sha•yâh′u 45.21-22 he fails to note that the Hebrew says אני י–ה ואין-עוד אלהים מבלעדי (ani י–ה wә-ein od eloh•im′ mi-baladai; I am י–ה and there is no other-similar god, apart from Me)!!!

Not only is there no other different Ël•oh•im′, there is no other-similar Ël•oh•im′ either!

This categorically rules out the Trinity. The Trinity concept can be defended only in English, but is precluded in the real—Hebrew—Ta•na”kh′.

Quote and learn more here: www.netzarim.co.il

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